2/10/2013: Back in 2008 ODE reporter Allie Grasgreen wrote about Pat Kilkenny's $1 million gift to support UO's academic side:
University President Dave Frohnmayer announced the Kilkennys’ gift at a press conference Thursday. Frohnmayer called the donation “an extraordinary gift from an extraordinary couple.” ...
The $1 million donation will establish two academic programs. The first is “Competition Not Conflict,” which will feature classes within the Knight Law Center that focus on conflict resolution in sports.
“We had years where this was just to us a good idea,” said School of Law associate professor Michael Moffitt, “and it is now with the Kilkennys’ gift that this can be more than just a good idea.”After a few trial years, Kilkenny's good idea came up for faculty review last month. The UO Senate Committee on Courses rejected every single course - unanimously:
Why did the faculty reject these courses? Consider CRES 410: "Football and Conflict", conveniently taught in Room 101 of the Jaqua Center for Student-Athletes - or, as the NY Times calls it, "UO's Jock Box". The law school has been giving out 4 upper division undergraduate credits for this course, despite the fact it has no prerequisites. They'll even give you graduate credits for it. They took tuition money from 89 students for this last fall. And what did those students learn? A UO Matters operative retrieved the final exam from the Jock Box dumpster:
Try your luck on the full 45 football trivia questions here. Kilkenny's program also includes:
- 410: Conflict in Sports Teams
- 410: Intro to Sports Conflict
- 410: Sports conflict and Gender
- 399: Special Studies in the History of Sports Conflict
- 399: Special Studies in Soccer and Conflict
- 199: Special Studies in International Sports Conflict
- 399: Special Studies in Sports Conflict and Gender
- 399: Special Studies in Baseball Conflict
- 399: Special Studies in Angry Sports Public
Sign up soon, because I've got a feeling it's going to be a long, long time before the Law school lets these courses get taught again.
In totally unrelated news, Kilkenny's "Lucky Duck" foundation has now given a total of $570,000 to Frohnmayer's Fanconi Foundation. The timeline?
Year Gift Notes
2005 $0
2006 $240K Kilkenny gives UO $2M to buy out longtime AD Bill Moos
2007 $100K Frohnmayer appoints Kilkenny as AD
Frohnmayer lets Kilkenny piss away UO money on baseball
2008 $100K Frohnmayer gets Matt Court Arena bonds through legislature
2009 $50K Frohnmayer retires and Kilkenny leaves as AD
Kilkenny invests in new apartment buildings next to Matt Court
2010 $80K Bellotti scandal
2011 ?
2012 ?
2013 ?
IRS 990 here. For 2006:
And Dean Moffitt still seems in denial about what's really going with this program: In the NYT a day after I posted this:
At the University of Oregon, Michael Moffitt, the law school’s dean, has started clinics on nonprofit groups, environmental policy and probate mediation. He has also set up law courses for students in other parts of the university, which brings revenue to the law school.
“The problem is that we have been selling only one product,” Mr. Moffitt said. “But if you are getting a business degree, you need to know about contract law. City planners need to know about land-use law. So we at Oregon are educating not just J.D. students.
“Demand is through the roof,” he added. “I feel like I am living a business school case study.”And what kind of life could top that? But go to the list of classes the law school is offering to undergraduates, here. About 250 students are enrolled in the kinds of solid courses Moffitt tells the NYT about. But 300 are in Kilkenny's sports conflict courses. Probably a good idea not telling the Times that little detail. (Thanks to Anon for tip in the comments.) 2/11/2013.
This is so embarrassing. It never ends around here.
ReplyDelete(Do we have a consensus answer to #2?)
Of course, the tkae away for the admins will be something like "Don't leave your final exams lying around in the Jock Box." Hell, it was probably my fault for grabbing it and I should have immediately turned it over to authorities for fear that people would find out what a pathetic waste of time the class is. It's all my fault. Does anyone know Gottfredson's confession hours? (If they ever respond to the public-records request for his official schedule maybe we'll find out.)
DeleteEmbarrassing indeed. Obviously looks bad for the admins but what about the profs? Don't they have any self respect?
ReplyDeleteThe profs are all adjuncts, willing (apparently) to teach anything to make ends meet. Adult supervision from the capital-P Profs in the Law School was obviously lacking, though.
DeleteMichael Moffitt was an associate professor in 2010 when he bought into this. Now he's the law school dean, making $270,000. Any more questions?
DeleteGood ideas like this get you invited on the bowl game junkets. Get a clue, science PI's!
DeleteYou know the Jaqua tutors already have the key. But is anyone else willing to give it a try?
ReplyDeleteSorry, I'm waiting for the "Baseball and Conflict" exam.
DeleteMaybe the administration and the athletic department should be thanking the Senate CoC for rescuing them from the inevitable scandal a few years down the road if this had gone through.
ReplyDeleteAlso, I thought you needed to name a TTF who will teach a course when you apply to the CoC to move from an experimental designation (399, 410, etc.) to a permanent course. Was there a TTF's name on the applications, or was that the grounds for rejection?
I agree wholeheartedly Marmot. While one would really hope --dare I say expect - that some due diligence would be done before the classes are allowed to even start, it is somewhat comforting to know that there is a process actually going on to make sure these things come under faculty review some time. I do wonder if the time period before review -- 3 years -- is too long.
Delete4 years: http://classes.uoregon.edu/pls/prod/hwskdhnt.P_ListCrse?term_in=200902&sel_subj=dummy&sel_day=dummy&sel_schd=dummy&sel_insm=dummy&sel_camp=dummy&sel_levl=dummy&sel_sess=dummy&sel_instr=dummy&sel_ptrm=dummy&sel_attr=dummy&sel_cred=dummy&sel_tuition=dummy&sel_open=dummy&sel_weekend=dummy&sel_title=&sel_to_cred=&sel_from_cred=&submit_btn=Submit&sel_subj=CRES&sel_crse=&sel_crn=&sel_camp=%25&sel_levl=%25&sel_attr=%25&begin_hh=0&begin_mi=0&begin_ap=a&end_hh=0&end_mi=0&end_ap=a
Deletenietzsche and hobbes would be stunned at the amount of Miami hate on that test.
ReplyDeletethe CNC webpage having a quote from NCAA ex-honcho Brand about "what values you're representing" sort of defeats the purpose of the program, given the NCAA seems to thrive on useless conflict.
And why is the Law school suddenly do interested in undergraduate "education"?
ReplyDeleteOh yeah, the budget model that rewards this type of crap.
It's not just happening there. Look around.
Kudos to the COC for doing their job. Lesson here - when faculty take their role over academic matters seriously, stuff gets fixed. When admins are left to their own devices, stupid stuff gets implemented.
Also pay attention to the number of undergraduate law classes the Law School is now teaching......Environmental Law etc....the budget model drives all.
Deleteplenty of other departments around campus are pulling similar scams. check the Ed School, they are experts.
DeleteAAD is also very popular - and they count for gen ed.
DeleteI notice that Lisa Wolverton, who nixed these courses, herself gives a course on "The Cultural History of Dogs" (Hist 199).
ReplyDeleteCourse titles can often mask the seriousness of a curriculum, though. That's actually a thoughtful class, as far as I can tell. In truth, I could imagine putting together a thoughtful class on football and conflict, too. The issue is that in this case, 'football and conflict' appears to have been bogus.
DeleteAdmission... The cultural history of dogs actually sound interesting to me. I've often wondered why we don't eat them, for example.
Just one course? Looks like the law school could spin that into an entire new major: "Rottweilers and athletes", "The common law and dog bites", "Canines, contracts, and the courts", "Terriers and Torts", ...
DeleteCourses on sports and conflict are not trivial. Several years ago, Mac Court witnessed a serious racial incident at the high school championship; that same year, a parent was killed by another parent at an Oregon high school football game; violence has increased in k-12 sports, especially among girls. Conflict in sports tracks almost every social problem, especially race and gender. Trivializing these issues, as the previous remark does, ignores the problematic role of sports in society
DeleteThere's a difference between declaring social conflict that arises in the context of sport "trivial"--which none of the above posters did--and noting that these courses on "sports and conflict"--to judge by the exam--emphasize the trivial.
DeleteThe original anonymous here misunderstands the excerpt from the minutes UOMatters provided: I did not personally "nix" these courses; they were assigned to me to present to the committee, which then voted 0-6 to reject them. We have explained to the CNC and Law School faculty the reasoning behind that decision.
DeleteAs for the Cultural History of Dogs, that is a 3-credit Freshman Seminar (vetted therefore by their curriculum committee), and the syllabus is here: http://pages.uoregon.edu/lwolvert/CultHistDogs.htm
I have been on the course committee four times over the years, and it was always understood that issues like this were not meant for public debate, involving as they do details of curricula, etc. Now that the current committee has made it a public issue, perhaps Lisa could tell us her views on the seriousness of the sports-conflict issue, as a matter of academic concern. Does it match the seriousness of comic books, which the English Dept has a whole program to study?
DeleteThe Senate CoC is admirably transparent. They post detailed instructions for submitting courses, schedules, and minutes of their meetings at http://committees.uoregon.edu/node/440
DeleteThis is where I got the information used in this post (except the exam from the trash).
The minutes for the 1/18 meeting at which the CNC courses were rejected say:
CRES & LAW: There was a lengthy discussion on the Law courses submitted for the CNC certificate program. There were questions
regarding all courses with concerns including low reading loads, assignments, discrepancy between narrative and syllabi, soccer reading
load, definitions not clear for current events and creative research project, no differentials for CRES courses, using graduate students as
teaching assistants, and how courses work with Kidsports. UOCC voted on all of the courses and all courses were rejected. Lisa will contact
the School of Law and offer assistance.
This seems pretty clear cut.
The Cultural History of Dogs indeed. This is why undergraduate degrees no longer indicate the ability to think, write, and speak coherently. Perhaps the Dream Act should have exempted such courses from in-state tuition - for anyone.
DeleteI thought White Fang was a pretty good book. What's wrong with teaching it in college?
DeleteCan't say. Never read White Fang...or studied conflict in sports either.
DeleteThe whole dog issue is a red herring. That's one class for 25 students. By comparison, we're talking about a whole roster of these Law School courses, a dozen or more, most with high enrollments. One of them is called--no kidding!--"Dealing with an Angry Sports Public". That's a webinar for security guards, no? The Football exam is an indicator of the caliber of these courses. There are a lot of students at stake in this Sports Conflict thing, as well as major issues of faculty responsibility. Let's not get distracted by an intellectual discourse on the merits of White Fang.
DeleteI don't know. Is it?
DeleteLisa Wolverton's dog seminar devotes two sessions to "Lassie Come Home", according to her syllabus. I suppose this is more serious than the study of Bear Bryant, though it probably depends what part of the country you are from.
ReplyDeleteClearly there is only one person who can resolve this. Where's Dog?
DeleteDog on Cultural History of Dogs
DeleteThis dog is unaware that we even have a cultural history. In general, dogs are usually in a constant state of reprimand (in the dog house), undervalued as functioning creatures, often told to eat shit and die and generally are forced to retrieve frisbees in the midst of oncoming traffic. A dog's life sucks for the most part - no one should be a dog.
Dog is tastier than Cat, I hear, or Three-Toed Sloth for that matter.
DeleteI'm still waiting for someone to post the answer key. Don't any fraternity brothers read this blog?
ReplyDeleteThe whole CNC program is apparently taught by two adjuncts. I'm sure it is very profitable for the law school. This is what passes for the program's research page: http://cnc.uoregon.edu/resources/ Details of the program here: http://adr.uoregon.edu/files/2012/01/cncvisionslideshow.pdf
ReplyDeleteWhich Kilkenny gift was worse for UO: CNC or Paul Westhead?
ReplyDeleteFrohnmayer sold out the Law School too? That's some stone cold shit.
ReplyDeleteNo. I'm not sure how you'd even conclude that based on the above facts.
DeleteWhaaa? How on earth did you come up with that? Too? What??
DeleteThis would be a really interesting story if even 1% of it were based on fact. Great story. Wrong. But, really, a great piece of fiction.
ReplyDeleteIn that case, it shouldn't be too hard for you to name a few specific falsehoods.
DeleteIt's easy to find real information. Try reaching out to the folks who have insight - real insight.
DeleteInteresting FACT. Not one person on the CoC has looked at one piece of teaching material beyond the syllabi or the one exam they stole from a blind professor forced to do multiple choice questions because they wouldn't honor a request for someone to read and transcribe exams to him. Not one interview or question EVER. They have never attended a class. I bet you could go to any of the classes offered this term and see for yourself if they are legit but then folks would have to get off their asses and walk somewhere and that wouldn't be as good a story as these lies if you found out these were great, challenging courses, right?
DeleteHello, large out-of-court settlement!
Delete"In totally unrelated news, Kilkenny's "Lucky Duck" foundation has now given a total of $530,000 to Frohnmayer's Fanconi Foundation. The IRS 990's don't give exact dates, but it appears most of this was the year or two before Dave appointed him AD, in 2008"
ReplyDeleteYou are an absolute liar and disgusting human being. You know this is a lie. Kilkenny's gifts had NOTHING to do with his being AD. I've pointed this out numerous times. Say whatever you want about Frohnmayer (and everything else you've said is a lie, too), but exploiting an awful, personal tragedy as part of your smear campaign is despicable.
I'd be interested in hearing more about the ineffectiveness of these gifts - you seem very well informed.
DeleteI'm sure it's coincidence that Kilkenny's generous gifts dropped off as soon as Frohnmayer was no longer in a position to influence how much of UO's academic money went the athletic department.
DeleteDecent president from 1995 to 2000, then he let Davis and Moseley run things for a while, then they retired, he cashed out, and things fell apart quick.
DeleteIf it's a lie, Anon, why did you so quickly draw the same conclusion from those facts that the rest of us did? And why did you think that might bolster your argument's persuasiveness?
DeleteI'm the anonymous poster above, responding to these four "responses."
ReplyDeleteI'm not going to argue this point. I've done that already. It's sufficient to say that you, Bill, are a disturbed person who has no regard for truth, human decency, or the depth of tragedy that's befallen both Kilkenny and Frohnmayer and their families. I resent you more than words could ever express.
What you quoted and posted:
Delete""In totally unrelated news, Kilkenny's "Lucky Duck" foundation has now given a total of $530,000 to Frohnmayer's Fanconi Foundation. The IRS 990's don't give exact dates, but it appears most of this was the year or two before Dave appointed him AD, in 2008"
You are an absolute liar and disgusting human being. You know this is a lie."
What part of that statement, which is making a factual assertion about amounts and timelines, is in fact a lie? Nowhere does it state "Kilkenny made the donation in exchange for becoming athletic director, that's you're own interpretation of events apparently.
"What part of that statement, which is making a factual assertion about amounts and timelines, is in fact a lie? Nowhere does it state "Kilkenny made the donation in exchange for becoming athletic director, that's you're own interpretation of events apparently."
DeleteMy own interpretation of this post is that you're (btw, note correct usage of "you're") a dolt.
How does it feel to walk the plank for Frohnmayer and Kilkenny over and over again?
Delete"How does it feel to walk the plank for Frohnmayer and Kilkenny over and over again?"
DeleteI'm not sure I understand your metaphor in this context.
Also, to this poster:
ReplyDelete"If it's a lie, Anon, why did you so quickly draw the same conclusion from those facts that the rest of us did? And why did you think that might bolster your argument's persuasiveness?"
I just have to say that you're a massive tool; that's all.
Oregon's ethics law has a loophole for contributions to a charitable cause, so Frohnmayer is on sound ground legally. However the donations and subsequent appointment, followed by Frohnmayer's zeal in implementing Kilkenny's various athletic projects, certainly creates the appearance of a conflict of interest. That is something to be avoided.
ReplyDeleteThe Gates Foundation COI rules are on the first google page: http://www.gatesfoundation.org/about/Documents/Conflict_of_Interest_Policy.pdf
DeleteThings that should be "avoided or disclosed":
ƒ"Other business relationships and dealings: Approving grants or contracts with organizations
in which you or your family have a significant financial or other interest or relationship,
particularly if you are in a position to influence major decisions, are responsible for review,
negotiation and approval of the grants or contracts, or otherwise direct the foundation’s
business dealings with that business or entity."
A propos of this post. Michal Moffitt quoted in February 11 NYT article on Law Schools:
ReplyDeleteElsewhere in the country, law schools are trying to deal with declining popularity in a range of ways. The University of Akron Law School in Ohio has frozen its tuition and virtually ended its out-of-state surcharge. At the University of Oregon, Michael Moffitt, the law school’s dean, has started clinics on nonprofit groups, environmental policy and probate mediation. He has also set up law courses for students in other parts of the university, which brings revenue to the law school.
“The problem is that we have been selling only one product,” Mr. Moffitt said. “But if you are getting a business degree, you need to know about contract law. City planners need to know about land-use law. So we at Oregon are educating not just J.D. students.
“Demand is through the roof,” he added. “I feel like I am living a business school case study.”
Living a business school case study... too bad he's not performing like a law school Dean.
DeleteSeriously, years ago we could have had Kevin Johnson (now Dean of a top 30 law school) and thus retained Garrett Epps, Steve Bender, Keith Aoki (RIP), Robert Tsai, and who knows who else - not to mention who we could have attracted! Instead, UO Law dropped like a stone in the US News rankings and has never come back. How the hell did this guy get to be Dean?
DeleteI hope there will be more clarity about who designed the sports-related courses in question.
ReplyDeleteGiven Dean Moffitt's national reputation in conflict resolution, what exactly are you attributing to him in this matter?
ReplyDeleteI'm accusing him of "living in a business school case study". One of those ones where a business decides to dilute quality and depreciate their hard won national reputation, to cash in on short-run profits.
ReplyDeleteThis is not a slam on his school's move towards solid undergrad courses in law for non-lawyers, which I think is a great idea both in terms of practical knowledge and in terms of educating informed citizens.
It's just a criticism of what I've seen of the CNC sports conflict program.
Don't forget the part of the timeline where Kilkenny gave Frohnmayer the money to buy out Moos's contract.
ReplyDeleteThanks, added.
DeleteLOLOLOL NICE DELETE HARBAUGH TALKING TO YOURSELF AGAIN YOU LOSER ASSHOLE????
DeleteHmm, maybe this sports and conflict stuff is a bigger problem than I'd thought. I'll have to get cousin Jim's opinion on the above.
DeleteJust shut the fuck up, Bill.
DeleteIs that Geller with the attitude? Maybe Frohnmayer? Man they can get hot and bothered like children.
DeleteYou don't write directly that Kilkenney made gifts to the FA Research Fund in exchange for becoming AD, but that despicable implication is apparent in all that you have written on this subject. The truth is heart-wrenching and tragic - stuff you are incapable of comprehending. The fact is that Kilkenney knows three families well who are afflicted with FA: his neighbor's child in Hepner, his fraternity brother's two children (one of whom died from this disease) and the Frohnmayers (who have lost two children to FA). Deeply moved by the tragedies that afflicted all three families, Pat Kilkenney and his wife have selflessly, generously devoted time and personal resources to support research into this devastating disorder. The fantasy tie to the AD position is a figment of your pathetic imagination.
ReplyDeleteFYI: Kilkenney's personal gifts in support of the FA Research Fund have increased considerably each year over the past 3 years. Frohnmayer has not been UO President since 2009. Find another theory, idiot.
Thanks for this useful information. Mine came from the IRS 990 forms. Do you have a source for your statements about the increases in Mr. Kilkenny's donations?
DeleteAlso, I assume you've heard rumors that Phil Knight stopped his large FA donations after Frohnmayer opposed him on having UO join the WRC in 2000. Any numbers and dates on his contributions would be appreciated, since you seem to have some inside knowledge.
The sorts of donations in the 990's, and which you describe, certainly create the appearance of a COI. It would have been good practice for President Frohnmayer to have disclosed them and perhaps recused himself from decisions regarding Kilkenny. Many institutions would have required this - e.g. the Gates Foundation.
It's too late for that here, of course, but a little sunshine might serve as a good post-hoc remedy of sorts, along the idea of what Mandela would call "truth and then reconciliation".
Mr "You don't write directly that K..."
DeleteYou seem less than savvy, or a tad gullible. You think generosity and selfishness can't coexist do you? You must live in a wonderfully ignorant headspace, Sir.
I'm not the above poster, but I know what he/she is referencing.
DeleteTo Bill--stfu, as I said before.
(btw, to those who think I'm being cruel/curt with Billy Boy: I'm not actually this big of a jerk, but all of the information/points he's raised on this issue have been discussed with him ad nauseum previously, to no avail, so I'm done with actual dialogue)
To Anonymous--you're wrong. Of course generosity and selfishness can coexist, but PK didn't even want the AD job. The Administration pursued him. There was literally no ulterior motive behind his donations. I'm not saying the possibility is unreasonable, but the fact that Kilkenny didn't even earn a salary as AD should probably have given you some pause about his alleged "selfishness."
Pat Kilkenny is a saint. And now the Pope job is opening up.
DeleteCome on, he gave up a little salary, kept the health benefits, and then got the academic side to pay for millions of dollars in hidden subsidies for the Ducks. What else do you think that secret MOU they signed just before they both left was all about? Lots of fun for him and the other boosters, at our expense.
Poor Pat. So much bad mouthing for a few "nickels and dimes"... He should hire some PR consultants.
Deletehttp://www.oregonlive.com/business/index.ssf/2012/02/pat_kilkennys_bet_on_arena_dis_1.html
Thanks for the memories, added to the timeline.
DeleteYou're welcome. But now I "shut the fuck up".
DeletePS: Though he got us a really good basketball coach...
The pay-for-play is easy to decipher here: Kilkenny got the AD gig through donations to Frohnmayer and by paying for Moos' buyout, then he used that position to establish the baseball program he personally wanted.
ReplyDeleteOh yes, baseball. The $5 million on the balloon loan for Kilkenny Park that the Foundation put in is due in a few years. Some gift.
DeleteWhich brings us right back to "Baseball and Conflict"...
DeleteAnd why is his name all over fucking everything? Here's a guy who didn't earn a degree and didn't do anything worthy of having his name all over the place. he managed to make a lot of money - so what? That's what we value?
ReplyDeleteIf it really wasn't about him why didn't he demand they not put his name on stuff? Why not name it after his neighbors child. This was at least some big ego play.
Cuz it's nice to get recognized when you spend millions of dollars of your own money on something, perhaps?
DeleteThat was in response to a previous post about this not being about Kilkenny's ego. So, you made my point. Thanks. Again, he gave some money - big fucking deal.
DeleteHey Bro, you seem cool and edgy, try this: work in Development for a foundation, and every time you talk to really rich people, say, "We want you to donate many millions of dollars to this project. But we're not going to attach your name to it, even though it's a sizable portion of the project's total cost, because we don't believe in inflating people's egos."
DeleteReport back. Good luck, Bro.
Or, as Mandeville said,
DeletePride and Vanity have built more Hospitals than all the Virtues together.
That's why I don't work in development, bro (really, "bro"?).
DeleteYou've missed the point but that's ok. I'll let you see if you can figure out how you missed the point. There's a lot to read so take your time.
Report back and good luck bro.
"Bro" Bro here.
Delete"That was in response to a previous post about this not being about Kilkenny's ego. So, you made my point. Thanks. Again, he gave some money - big fucking deal."
To which post is that referring?
Keep trying - I know it's a lot to comprehend but you can do it.
DeleteTo "hey Bro"
DeleteActually, there use to be a rule that you did not put names of living people on building so hopefully the do not get caught is some embarrassing scandal and you have to change the name of the building and give back the money as in Grayson, er, Willamette. For the most part Phil has been held to this.
Also with many of these buildings I do not think I heard a great cry for a baseball stadium or a golf course for that matter. Autzen is still Autzen and there are still a few of us who think that Mac is the real deal and better than Matt partly BECAUSE you can't host Monster Trucks and do not need to because the building is paid for. Unless you get someone to mortgage it and have the students pay for it.
I thought many of this University's plans were contingent on private donations, making the "Again, he gave some money - big fucking deal." perspective highly suspect.
Delete"Keep trying - I know it's a lot to comprehend but you can do it."
DeleteI don't know what you're talking about because I have no idea which "Anonymous" posts you made before. I'm also not sure which post was about "this not being about Kilkenny's ego" because no other posts besides yours mention "Kilkenny's ego." Are you talking about the athletic donations or the FARF donations?
Also, your attempts at condescension are really, really bad.
Would Mandeville have categorized US pork barrel community hospital construction as Pride and Vanity?
DeleteRoger, you don't get it and that's fine. I don't need you to. Moving on..
DeleteSorry Roger, one more thing. (You are cracking me up by the way).
DeleteWhat exactly is "good" condescension, BRO?
OK, Cool.
DeleteI'll clarify why I was asking. The only thing that interests me is whether you're either of these two Anons:
"'Mr "You don't write directly that K...'
You seem less than savvy, or a tad gullible. You think generosity and selfishness can't coexist do you? You must live in a wonderfully ignorant headspace, Sir."
OR
"The pay-for-play is easy to decipher here: Kilkenny got the AD gig through donations to Frohnmayer and by paying for Moos' buyout, then he used that position to establish the baseball program he personally wanted."
If you're not, then I don't care what your point(s) is/are, and I wish you nothing but the absolute best in life.
Actually, I changed my mind; please take no offense at the fact that I'm no longer interested in this conversation.
DeleteIf you are the author of either of the above two comments, I implore you not to express opinions on topics about which you have no knowledge whatsoever.
If you're not, I merely leave you with my opinion that your point about Kilkenny and his "ego" and what is "all about him" is highly sophomoric.
Peace be with you.
That must be "good" condescension. Good one bro.
DeleteBut you still missed the point entirely.
If I misunderstood you, I apologize. Why don't you explain your point again?
DeleteWow! Go near Kilkenny (and his spawn, CNC)... and it gets really ugly here. Must be because "sports is more complicated than academic subjects like physics." But how about all you boys watch the bad language and name calling?!
ReplyDeleteA mere mention of "sports and conflict" and look how the Kilkenny vitriol rolls. Stunning, but not unexpected. Maybe it's because when the NCAA gets down to business later this spring, Kilkenny's tenure (and some of the athletic associates of his time) will be seen as booster-donor assistance/influence against the rules? UOM hates the NCAA but maybe in this instance he should do a double take.
DeleteHmm, Kilkenny or the NCAA. That would be a tough call. And it sounds like you know something. Spill it, you'll feel better.
Delete"Hmm, Kilkenny or the NCAA. That would be a tough call."
ReplyDeleteOoh, I'm just giddy with anticipation at what the wise ol' Bill Harbaugh thinks about that. Oh wait. Actually, you're a jackass, Harbaugh, and your opinion is worthless, especially on Pat Kilkenny--someone who's done more for the UO than you could ever fathom.
Name what he has done that is "more than we can fathom". He gave money and put his name on some shit - big fucking deal.
DeleteWasn't he also part of the Belloti fiasco that cost UO millions?
Lost amidst all the caterwauling about Kilkenny is the simple fact that the system worked -- belatedly, accidentally almost, but it worked. A rogue program was shot down by a duly constituted faculty committee. The questions now are (a) whether the law school will try to resurrect it, and (b) what other rogue operations are out there not getting noticed.
ReplyDeleteI agree.
DeleteWelcome to Oregon Community College at Eugene.
ReplyDeleteNearly a hundred downloads of the complete "Football and Conflict" final exam trivia questions. No one has sent me answers. Come on people!
ReplyDeleteSorry, it was too hard.
Deletedog says
DeleteNot too hard but way too ambiguous. In many cases the right answer should be None of the Above. The test itself I think is an interesting case of sociology and Good vs Evil.
Vince Lombardi GOOD
U. Miami EVIL
obviously its a bizarre test.
Well, that one was easy but...
DeleteNot much interest in piling on. Go figure.
DeleteThat's the spirit! Kill, Pussycat, Kill!
ReplyDeleteYOU ALL HAVE TOO MUCH TIME ON YOUR HANDS! Get a life! instead of wasting your time complaining about this or making fun of the program or class go out and do something that actually matters or maybe go exercise its good for you.
ReplyDeleteYet here you are.
Deleteonly because this whole issue was brought to my attention today so I wanted to check it out for myself and you are all ruining someones life right now and its not right.
DeleteI agree that a more charitable approach to the issue and the people involved would be appropriate.
DeleteRuining someone's life? You don't think there are life-altering implications associated with these issues, for students? for student athletes? for the research that gets don't around here?
DeleteOpen eyes.. anytime now would be good.
No. No. No.
Deletethe professor who teaches the football class, yes his life has been altered because he cares a lot about the course and is passionate about his career and to have some ignorant person make his class seem like a joke is horrible. It just sucks for someone who has put so much into something and then have it all put on blast. But you guys can all say and think what you want, just remember someone worked hard to put together that class and cares a lot about it and now it is getting stepped all over.
DeleteThis medium tends to bring out the worst in people. Your comment suggests it may bring out the best, as well.
DeleteI think this medium is awful and its makes me sick to my stomach to watch a professor who has such a great heart and cares so much about his studies to be scrutinized this way. This professor who is being targeted has been put in a negative spot light for no reason except for the fact that whoever started this particular blog has some issues that he/she is addressing in the wrong way. Don't displace your own problems onto to an innocent person who has done nothing wrong and is being treated as if he did.
DeleteOne or two classes on sports conflict would be a good thing. But the people who run this got greedy and tried to make a whole program out of it. Nine courses? Upper division courses with MC tests and no pre-reqs? The law school should have kept them under control, but didn't. So the CoC did the job for them. Good work.
DeleteHunt whale, not tuna. When you catch a dolphin, cut the net.
DeleteWill whoever is posting these pithy comments start using a consistent screen name? I suggest Ahab.
DeleteCall me Ishmael.
Deletethis is addressed to UO Matters: I agree with you in that there should be pre-reqs, but attacking a single professor with his course is wrong. Stating that the exams given in the class are easy is also wrong and false because those exams are not easy they are actually hard. The exam should be easy if you go to class, do the readings and understand the concepts on the class. You can't judge a class based off the title. The classes are not just about sports, they actually relate to other issues. Second the class is not for just student-athletes in fact there are typically a MAX of five students in these classes. Majority of these classes are full are students, non-athletes. Clearly who every UO Matter is has a deeper issue and is taking it out on a professor who actually genuinely cares and loves his studies. If you have such an issue with the program go to the CNC office and talk to Josh Gordon about it, don't ostracize one persons course and his studies.
DeleteSorry, but 45 multiple choice questions, mostly about sports trivia, do not make for an acceptable final exam for an upper-division course. And there are ~8 other similar courses in the program?
DeleteIt is rather touching to observe the loyalty of some students from Football and Conflict, but quite obviously what constitutes appropriate evaluation is determined by the faculty. We know a poorly-written, too-easy test when we see one; and we know too what it says about the course overall.
DeleteIn fact, the point is that all of this stuff is subject to faculty oversight. It should have happened within the Law School itself; failing that, problems that should have been corrected much earlier have been exposed now. Alas, this happened publicly--because university committees do not operate in secret unless their mandate dictates it. Had the Law Faculty done it's job, none of this would have happened.
And, correct me if my recollection is wrong but the genesis of this is interesting. As I recall, Kilkenny was taking public heat for not having a degree and subsequently decided to donate some money to fund an "academic" program - presumably to raise his "academic" credibility. Apparently, he couldn't bring himself to not have this donation relate to something other than sports (or maybe there was another motive) so we got this.
DeleteI suspect it grew as a natural response to the budget model but I could be wrong about that too.
Regardless of how you explain yourself, you are wrong for ostracizing one professor and one class. Your words and actions have been extremely hurtful and the way this is being handled in immature. You have no idea the amount of emotional pain and destruction you have caused for one person.
DeleteYes, Law School Dean Michael Moffitt certainly has a lot to answer for here. I hope he is seriously re-evaluating his decisions and actions regarding his handling of the CNC program and these courses.
DeleteYes, people should attack more than one professor... I'm sure there are many doing similar things. (Give it time, give it time... as long as the behavior continues, each will have his or her day.)
DeleteBill, it might be worth digging around a bit. A poor, overworked (apparently blind????) adjunct getting hammered for how he had to teach these classes (enormous enrollments, teaching many more classes than TTF do) isn't much of a story - that is, unless you're concerned with labor relations and ADA law. But Moffitt's involvement in starting it and raising money for it? In letting this thing grow while he is/was Dean of a "business school case study" (aka law school)? The law school benefiting from it all? (i.e. adjuncts and non-faculty teaching enormous classes) Maybe there's more than meets the eye? What was Moffitt's role in Kilkenny putting up the money for CnC? Were any OUS members involved?
DeleteAnonymous, if you've got something to tell, just spill it.
Deleteperspectives are offered, facts are discovered.
DeleteAssume the people involved acted out of good will. Apologize for any personal pain you have caused.
DeleteClarify that you acted out of principle.
You don't have to hurt people to make a point.
point taken, explanation added.
DeleteGet your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please.
ReplyDeleteMark Twain
US humorist, novelist, short story author, & wit (1835 - 1910)
The conspiracy is bigger than we all thought
ReplyDeletehttps://www.facebook.com/UofOCNC
CNC has bribed newspapers around the country to fake sports conflict
Must be kikklenyy $$$
Nice facebook page. Just the sort of peer-reviewed research that UO needs.
DeleteI wonder, could PK pass that test?
ReplyDeleteSurely Michael Moffitt made sure the law school had a robust curriculum review process and a committee in place before engaging in this expansion into teaching undergraduate courses. Right? Anyone?
ReplyDeleteUh, define "robust"...
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ReplyDeleteThe test appears to reflect many cultural issues that represent the objectives of the CNC: "provide[] opportunities for theory and practice in understanding, preventing, and resolving conflict in the competitive sports arena." Viewing the test in isolation from the discussions that generated the answers 'trivializes' the subject absent any inquiry (I would imagine that there was a discussion on how people are valued in an organization when the cost of a left tackle was brought up; or perhaps I'm wrong and only a spreadsheet of salaries and positions was presented to the students). While Chuck Bednarik may be a bit of trivia, tell me a prof that hasn't used entertaining or interesting anecdotes during a lecture and I'll show you puddles of drool on desktops. It is apparent that this community, OP included, does not believe sport is a legitimate educational lens in which cultural values may be reflected or improved upon (despite protestations that 'I was once interested in sports'). Ironically, it is the familiarity with the subject that seems the root of the disdain: "how can something have any academic legitimacy if ESPN does a '30 for 30' on it?" I challenge OP to present a multiple guess test addressing compensation choices of women within their menstrual cycle that doesn't elicit similar titters from this audience: "If a smart woman is bleeding and she is presented with a dumb man will she choose a) tournament b) piece c) crying d) both a) & b) or e) none of the above." OP adopts the typical medialoid tactics of bloggers everywhere: become angry at some perceived slight or injustice; indiscriminately project anger absent thought, inquiry, or concern; revel in the attention as keeper of all that is good and holy. "I am the paragon of academia! Only I have the ability to dictate the number of courses appropriate for a program!!" While I am in agreement with many of the disparagements of the administration, it is cowardice to appropriate materials from a peer (a peer regardless of your denigrations to the contrary), and then post that material without inquiry or discussion with that peer as to whether the material actually reflects your hypothesis. Perhaps you come to the same conclusion regardless, but at least you come to them as a man. Instead, it looks like you may have succeeded in getting tag banned from the playground. That, and perhaps cost a very popular and passionate educator the ability to provide for his family. Bravo sir. Bravo.
"While I am in agreement with many of the disparagements of the administration,"
DeleteWouldn't you have to assume that this blogger's methods are applied uniformly, both to the administration and the CNC program?
I attempt to avoid assumption whenever possible. As to the methods, it would appear that in evaluating the administration OP uses empirical data obtained from formal requests to question motives and means. Further, those who choose to enter an administrative role choose to do so subject to statute, rule, and regulation that provide for public oversight.
DeleteHere, there is a question as to how 'honestly' the material criticized was obtained. In addition, while those who choose to enter the role of an educator are too subject to some public oversight, that transparency is different in nature and substance to that of the administrator.
OP is certainly free to have his opinions about the value of a particular discipline. He is certainly free to gripe about the source of financing for that discipline. But when he holds himself out as an academician and assaults a subject without inquiry into that subject, he does himself and the community a disservice. Moreover, when he impeaches the reputation of another educator he does actual damage. He is entitled to do so but it does not create the best avenue toward insight and growth.
"Moreover, when he impeaches the reputation of another educator he does actual damage."
DeleteAnd "impeaching" the reputation of administrators doesn't do damage?
I don't know. You tell me. Does it?
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